Sophia - 2018

[Chanda]

She sure is starting look like her exposure is actually a pregnancy, so I'll start a thread for her and you can cross your fingers with me.   I'll try to get up all the details, eventually.

Lucky Harts Simply Sophia, 2005 grey mare; sire Lucky "C" Farms Robby, dam is a Roan Ranger daughter (also Blue Boy back there).   Exposed to silver black tobiano, that's all I know at this time.

She's 35-36" tall.

She could go as early as March, as what little foaling history I have she appears to be a 10 monther.  She was exposed for 2 months to the stallion, pasture breeding.  [I have the dates somewhere.]

[First pic from the seller, second after I got her home.]

[dcwolcott]

Ah, yes!! At least that's my vote!!

She's so pretty, Chanda. 

Lucky C Farms Robby, per the AMHA is a palomino.  Did the old owner file a stud report for you? 

Of course Sophia is also registered in AMHA as a solid palomino and was brought permanent at 33.75", but never DNA tested. AMHR has her as a grey mare, again at 33.75".  Sophia is showing that mom was also a registered palomino, too.  Must have a greying gene in there somewhere.

Gotta love the colors horses are registered -- so far from the truth sometimes.  Her daddy, Robby, do you know whether he is truly a palomino?  He is out of a solid cremello mare from a bay stallion, and registered palomino at 30.50"  A little guy!

This is exciting!  Looks like you'll have some foaling to do this spring!  And we'll enjoy watching!!

[Chanda]

As far as I know stud report has been filed, but haven't received my breeding cert. Yet.
As far as I know Robby was palomino.
When I transferred, I thought I fixed her height, she's definitely over 34".
Her maternal grandmother or maybe it's great grand is Blue Boy bred, so that's where the grey comes from, guessing color was never updated when turned.  I didn't know she was A papered, so good to know she was initially palomino, if her foal color was guessed right.

[Chanda]

Here's what I got back from the seller when I asked about stallion certi

Hi Chanda.  I sure hope she is pregnant.  That would be great!!  I will get you a breeders certificate.  If she caught the first time the stud bred her she will be due about the middle of March.  But she showed heat again two more times while running with him at Liz's place so not really sure what went on with her.  I have read they can show heat and still be pregnant so I don't really know what to think about her.  She ran with him and the herd then from the 10th of May until 8/1.

Sorry.  Had to go to the book. My head is not always reliable:). She went to the pasture with the herd and the stud on June 24th.

Asking to find out if she was actually first turned out on June 24th, as that would have a better foaling time than early May turn out for up here.

[Chanda]

And, the response:

I bred her at my place on April 23.  He bred her twice that day and the next day she ate his lunch:). So I thought he had got her as she was going out.  The stud went out to Liz's on May 1 but I have another stud I used to check her back.  She never showed heat again at my place so I sent her out to Liz's in June just to run out for a while.  I totally thought she was bred cause she never showed heat again at my place.


There is a chance that an April heat is a transitional heat in northern Montana, and I sure hope it was, cause that's too early for foaling here.  [Her seller is down on the river bottom, so they can have milder weather than we do in winter.]

[Chanda]

Dang, I hope she didn't take on April 23, that would put her 300 days on Feb 16, 2018, way too early to foal around here.  [Although, sometimes February is nicer than March.]  330 days would be March 19, 2018 (a little better).
She had two foals previously, and they were 10 months apart, so it looks like she might go only 10 months; but those were later in the season foals, I've seen them go a bit longer with early season foals in cold climates.

[Ryan]

Good idea starting a thread

I hope she took for you too and at the latter date

[Chanda]

I need to take new dirty, fuzzy pics, so we can compare belly shots.

[Ryan]

You know we love pictures

[Chanda]

Not new, but I got Sophia added to my website, and I used one of the sellers pictures.
https://hcminis.weebly.com/

[Chanda]

With help, I found information on her two foals...  She has a palomino filly by a sorrel pinto stallion; and a buckskin filly by a buckskin stallion.   If I'm able to get pictures, I'll share, but don't hold your breath.

[dcwolcott]

So she is a true palomino with a cream gene!!!  The greying is certainly coming from the Blue Boy influence, as I had a "grey" mare that was a true palomino with a greying gene -- which you know I had to sell, since appaloosa breeders don't want greying in their herd.  Nothing worse than producing a beautiful SPOTTED baby that turns grey and looses it's spots.

I'm excited for you!  If she's exposed to a silver black tobiano, you may actually produce your perfect Buckskin (or buckskin pinto). And then there is a possibility she won't throw the greying gene, although silver could be in the mix AND the cream gene!  What fun predicting this color baby will be!!

Offspring Color Probability
3.13% -  Palomino 
3.13% - Gray (Palomino) Tobiano 
3.13% - Palomino Tobiano 
3.13% - Gray (Palomino) 
2.34% - Gray (Smoky Black) 
2.34% - Gray (Buckskin) 
2.34% - Smoky Black Tobiano 
2.34% - Buckskin Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Smoky Black) Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Buckskin) Tobiano 
2.34% - Silver Black 
2.34% - Silver Bay 
2.34% - Gray (Black) Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Bay) Tobiano 
2.34% - Smoky Black 
2.34% - Buckskin 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Smoky Black) 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Buckskin) 
2.34% - Silver Smoky Black Tobiano 
2.34% - Silver Buckskin Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Black) 
2.34% - Gray (Bay) 
2.34% - Black Tobiano 
2.34% - Bay Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Black) Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Bay) Tobiano 
2.34% - Silver Smoky Black 
2.34% - Silver Buckskin 
2.34% - Gray (Smoky Black) Tobiano 
2.34% - Gray (Buckskin) Tobiano 
2.34% - Black 
2.34% - Bay 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Black) 
2.34% - Gray (Silver Bay) 
2.34% - Silver Black Tobiano 
2.34% - Silver Bay Tobiano 
1.56% - Gray (Red (Chestnut/Sorrel)) Tobiano 
1.56% - Gray (Red (Chestnut/Sorrel)) 
1.56% - Red (Chestnut/Sorrel) Tobiano 
1.56% - Gray (Chestnut) Tobiano 
1.56% - Red (Chestnut/Sorrel) 
1.56% - Gray (Chestnut) 
1.56% - Chestnut Tobiano 
1.56% - Chestnut 

[Chanda]

Pinto breeders aren't thrilled with Grey's, either.
She'd have to have a dominant agouti gene to produce buckskin, and I'm not sure she has any bays in her background, but it's possible.  I'd take a palomino without grey.

[Ryan]

Well Im crossing fingers for you Chanda

[Chanda]

Did a boobie check today?  Hard to find for all the hair, she wasn't thrilled, but tolerated the invasion very well.
No pictures, didn't get the camera outside.  [Busy inside doing bookwork stuff, still more to do plus inventory for my little business.]