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 on: February 21, 2018, 07:57:50 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Carly Rae
I only use rhodes because it was recommended by my vet when Willow was really fat as it is a dry, low sugar grass hay. I just use it still cause all my other horses are fat and dont need anything fancy. But I'm happy to get Willow anything, I have never touched oaten, wheaten or barley for Willow.
I have been told by the produce store people that Maxi Soy is very similar to Speedibeet, just Maxi Soy is the cheaper option (half the price), so it could lack some things that could be beneficial for her like you said.

Ill have a look at them all when I go in and see which one is best.  :)

We have been getting rain all week here its crazy! It goes super hot, to freezing cold, it feels like the middle of winter here. It has been really difficult because Willow is SO fussy, now that everything is green I don't let her on the grass too much so I have to lock her up and feed her, but at times she wont eat what I give her and she will constantly neigh at me because shes hungry...
I just want my old bug back, shes not the same since Moo. We will get there eventually though  :)

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 on: February 21, 2018, 04:51:52 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Ryan
At best i would be sticking to the low Carb hay and adding a tiny bit of Lucerne hay into it. Yes both Zero and cool are both laminitis safe feeds , so you may as well stick to the Maxi soy. There is one product I would recommend you have a look at. "Gumnuts" by Mitavite is specifically designed for the older horse and pony and when I agisted years ago , the lady who owned the property had a very old arab mare. She was aged and began to drop weight so we started to feed her "gumnuts" and it did help to put weight on.

I probably sound like a broken record, but that lush green grass is the worst thing possible for willow. Unfortunately once a horse has had a bout of laminitis they are prone to it.

It makes it even harder for you Carly with the tropical weather you get. My "Caution " times here each year are at the start of spring when the heat arrives into the ground and also as the weather starts to cool down and the mildew arrives with the cooler nights.

With your weather up there, "When it rains" "it rains " then you have the constant humidity and heat.

As Willow is feeding for two , I would seriously consider weaning moo off her and see how she does regarding her weight. Some mares just cannot provide the nutrients for both themselves and little one as they get on in age :)




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 on: February 20, 2018, 11:44:07 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Chanda
Rhodes is usually low carb, it's a grass hay; we don't have Rhodes in the states, so I can only guess it's lower in protein than Lucerne, since it's a grass hay.
Lucerne is usually low carb, it's a legume, and has good protein and calorie level.  However, some laminitic horses are sensitive to it, so just be careful and use it sparingly.
Do no use oaten, wheaten or barley hay for a laminitis prone horse, all have too high a carb level and could cause a major episode.
Beet pulp is a safe calorie source for laminitic horses.  I believe in Australia you have access to Speedibeet, micro-beet  and fiber-beet.  I know speedibeet and microbeet are just beet pulp products, I don't know if fiber-beet has other additives.    Beet pulp should be soaked, for one it usually makes it more palatable.
The Maxi-soy is safe for laminitics, but might lack something she needs.  [I can't get soyhull products here, so really don't know that much about them, other than they are pretty safe to feed.]

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 on: February 20, 2018, 10:42:18 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Carly Rae
All grass here is lush and green due to all of our rain. I probably should have mentioned my concern about laminitis.
I have been a bit cautious on what I feed her, she has had a bit of lucerne here and there, but the vet said to avoid it so I haven't fed it continuously. Although her weight kept dropping which is why I added the Pony mix which has lucerne chaff in it along with other things. Ill also grab some oils for her while I'm out.

I haven't really took notice on how much Moo nurses, she leaves Willow's sight for quite a while, she wanders down the back and eats behind the shed alone where Willow has no sight of her, then she will come back for a feed and leave again.

I've never heard of "zero" or " cool" before, however the Maxi Soy I have her on now is sugar free with a big fat "Laminitis safe feed" stamp on the front. Might be easier just to keep her on the same feed.

The 2 easiest types of hay to get are Lucerne and Oaten, cheap too, then theres barley and wheaten, but I have been advised to stay away from all those and if any, use lucerne.
I have never heard of a "Grass and clover blend" at all. Is there another word for clover? I can get a "Rhodes and green panic" bale? Theres also like 60/40 Grass/Lucerne mixes too. I could possibly get a bale of lucerne and mix it with my rhodes grass (I recently bought 15 bales of rhodes) so it isnt just straight lucerne?

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 on: February 20, 2018, 06:25:25 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Ryan
Thanks for the update Carly. This is a bit of a tricky situation for you.  Willow already having a lamanitic episode will make it hard for you in regards to feed.

In regards to little MOO , If willow is struggling keeping weight on , then we need to concentrate on her and it may be time to start thinking of weaning.

How often is moo nursing ? 

For Moo, Breeda and mare and foal are both great. I would be mixing it with a little lucerne ( Alfalfa) and some plain grass hay.

For Willow , You should try "zero" or "cool" which are both sugar free feeds for lamanitic horses. You could try mixing them with some chaffe ( Just introduce it slowly into her feeding regime)

Id say yes to Lucerne  any day, but seeing how bad her laminitis was , I would be concerned it would be adding to the issue and that she would have another episode..

What other kinds of Hay can you get  ? Try and see if you can get a "Grass and clover blend" probably a little lower in sugar than lucerne but higher in protein than plain grass hay.

Hope this is of some help.

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 on: February 20, 2018, 08:12:01 AM 
Started by Holly - Last post by Holly
I've used several different materials. I don't like felt or polyester.... I love cotton ad duck cloth...seems to hold up well.

Rocklone.... I can ship it to you....migjt cost a bit more but doable... I've shipped to canada!!

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 on: February 19, 2018, 09:20:09 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Rocklone
Wow carly, im sitting here im amazement. Im so glad your mum is doing better, but this is also a real wake up call. It makes total sense when you say it, we see acid as "bad" and alkaline as good....and our diet now is so acid...and we her soooooooooooooooo many people having cancer now and wonder how/why.

I need to make some serious changes.

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 on: February 19, 2018, 09:10:32 PM 
Started by Carly Rae - Last post by Rocklone
I cant really comment cause my climate is so different (i had to take charm and goldie off pasture to get weight OFF then make sure foals got enough to supplement) but it sits a bit wrong for me to take a foal off a mare any sooner than at LEAST 6-7 months just for psychological reasons.

The grass she is eating, is it dry and more like bad hay? Just cause its in the ground doesnt mean it is good. I would try and find some good nutrient hay/haylage. Top it up with grass nuts soaked, micronised linseed will add some fat and oils needed. atm all she needs is calories added to the fibre shes already getting...even vegetable oil will help.

I would take the foal off her for a few hours a day, feed it whatever it is having etc then let her back as infrequent meals will naturally slow the mares  milk flow so basically early natural weaning but also not.

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 on: February 19, 2018, 08:54:38 PM 
Started by Holly - Last post by Rocklone
I absolutely love these! If i was closer i would deffo order one!

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 on: February 19, 2018, 08:14:53 PM 
Started by Chanda - Last post by Rocklone
I know how you feel about selling. I cant breed any more cause im at full capacity..but i cant think who to get rid of. Goldie is not going anywhere and thats just that...charm is not mine to sell but if i wanted to move her on i could but shes a damn good driving mare so i am loathe to part cause i might show her driving this year...shes also a damn good brood mare.  Meadow is only in her 2nd year showing so she may or may not take to it honestly i dont think she will, but she is a nice mare and will be a nice brood/drive mare but then i dont need two of the same horse.......louie is a real nice little colt but not stallion quality so will be gelded eventually, but he might show really nice so i want see how that goes. He may drive too.  Thriller is needed for company for lou..basically i need ALL my horses...but dont really need any of them. None of them "stand out" as cant part with apart from goldie who was my first and is now too old to drive/breed/show and is just my little old grump and here for life.

I will have to make some hard decisions after this yer though, if i want to further my mini life...i cant stay with the same ones forever. thriller atm is the underdog...but he would be very hard to move on (emotionally)

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