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Title: Foal color calculator
Post by: Holly on May 16, 2016, 09:16:03 PM
Here is a link to a foal color calculator, I love to use this one to see what the chances are on foal colors!!

http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator1.asp
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 16, 2016, 09:26:22 PM
This one by far is the best, and I've used it for years!!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Holly on May 16, 2016, 09:38:58 PM
Graces foal color possibilities:

Offspring Color Probability

18.75% -
Gray (Bay)
18.75% -
Bay
18.75% -
Gray (Bay) Tobiano
18.75% -
Bay Tobiano
6.25% -
Black Tobiano
6.25% -
Gray (Black)
6.25% -
Black
6.25% -
Gray (Black) Tobiano
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Chanda on May 16, 2016, 10:01:19 PM
Looks like a big chance at something that will go grey.   ;)
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 16, 2016, 10:03:50 PM
That graying gene can be so upsetting some times.  Perhaps she'll keep it to herself and not pass it on, as I'm assuming from the colors listed, she's heterozygous for the gene?

She's beautiful no matter what!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 16, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
Lacey's mare has some great color possibilities, too.  She told me: She's been DNA tested as a buckskin and the dad is a pinto palamino :) her sister just had a filly with the same dad and it's a palomino.

So, I did the calculation and sent to her.  With both parents carrying a cream gene, and one being black based and one being red based, the color possibilities are almost endless!!

Offspring Color Probability

16.41% - Buckskin Tobiano 

16.41% - Buckskin 

8.20% -   Perlino 

8.20% -   Bay 

8.20% -  Perlino Tobiano 

8.20% - Bay Tobiano 

6.25% - Palomino Tobiano 

6.25% -  Palomino 

3.13% - Red (Chestnut/Sorrel) 

3.13% - Cremello Tobiano 

3.13% - Red (Chestnut/Sorrel) Tobiano 

3.13% - Cremello 

2.34% - Smoky Black Tobiano 

2.34% - Smoky Black 

1.17% - Black 

1.17% - Smoky Cream Tobiano 

1.17% - Black Tobiano 

1.17% - Smoky Cream 

Can't wait to see what the "final" color the little one will be!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Renée on May 17, 2016, 02:42:54 AM
wow, that is one long list Diane. lol
The greying gene can be a real pain in the neck, do you remember my pinto boy that greyed out Diane? He would have been so much nicer if he had stayed chestnut.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Holly on May 17, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
Grace is homozygous black, 1 tobiano 1 gray.
I don't mind gray, except right after a bath!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: paintponylvr on May 17, 2016, 07:30:43 PM
She's bred to Riot?  Is he homozygous bay?  Or do you know?  Actually, I guess he can't be with the color combos they are coming up with, LOL. 

I love how it comes up with the color combos, but the number %s drives me crazy.  I know they are accurate, just drives me crazy, LOL.

And I thought i was "up" on all the colors but what is a smoky cream?  Is that the term for 2 cream genes on black base?  Since perlino is 2 creams on bay and cremello is 2 cream on red (HA - it really "threw us" when Kechi tested as carrying a bay gene!  Took a while for me to realize that even though she carried the bay - she was not a perlino since she had 2 red genes, 0 black genes).

I DO love how many color combinations you can get with the buckskin and the palomino pinto (actually there could be a couple more unless they have also had the stallion tested - since he can "hide" both bay and silver & it would limit the colors if he was homozygous for either)! OR did it do those colors because his color is actually known not to have either?
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 17, 2016, 07:34:07 PM
Yes, 2 cream on black base.

Since I didn't know the complete gene base, I just ran it with what was known to me, so, again, you are right, there could be some other choices as well, if there is silver in there.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Holly on May 17, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
Yes she is bred to riot he has one copy of black, one bay. He is simple!!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Hickory Springs on May 18, 2016, 11:03:43 PM
I got the website from Diane W. for the foal color predictor at the genetics lab and so far it is spot on with the color choices. For instance, I bred my black appaloosa mare to my chestnut fewspot stud and the outcome 50% bay appy and my bay appy dun filly was born healthy and beautiful. This little one is sold and heading to Florida!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 18, 2016, 11:08:42 PM
I just love that face and head!! Such a pretty little girl!!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Rocklone on May 19, 2016, 03:44:58 PM
41.02% -
Buckskin
41.02% -
Bay
6.25% -
Palomino
6.25% -
Red (Chestnut/Sorrel)
2.73% -
Black
2.73% -
Smoky Black


This is my one for charm. I'm just hoping that when it comes out bay, its a nice bay like charms! Im not a huge fan of darker bay.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 19, 2016, 06:10:38 PM
NO, she is a beautiful, RICH color!  Just lovely!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Rocklone on May 19, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
I love charms colour, but any darker and...ehhh!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: paintponylvr on May 19, 2016, 08:13:28 PM
Yes she is bred to riot he has one copy of black, one bay. He is simple!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: paintponylvr on May 19, 2016, 08:34:14 PM
I got the website from Diane W. for the foal color predictor at the genetics lab and so far it is spot on with the color choices. For instance, I bred my black appaloosa mare to my chestnut fewspot stud and the outcome 50% bay appy and my bay appy dun filly was born healthy and beautiful. This little one is sold and heading to Florida!

Congrats on her sale!

So....  does a "fewspot" appaloosa always sire/produce color?  I'm still very new to appaloosa genetics, so bear with me.

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I like my tobiano genetics and it was a huge surprise to test our 1st stallion's last Shetland colt (worthy of stud duty before color testing, IMO) and find out he was homozygous for tobiano (100% color producer - but no guarantee as to amount of white - u can see that the colt we had is rather minimal in the white department and his sire had substantially more white).  It was always a treat to see how much or how little white white our first shetland stallion sired (he was also homozygous black - so no chestnut pintos from him).

It will be interesting to test our red tobiano filly to see if she's carrying a silver gene and if she's homozygous for tobiano.  We already know she carries a bay agouti since her sire is homozygous for bay.  May not matter - not really liking her hind leg conformation at the moment.  Will give her time to grow out, since she's only 2 weeks old, but...
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 19, 2016, 09:56:03 PM
Yes, fewspots ALWAYS produce appaloosa, because they're homozygous for appaloosa.  It's so hard to get a novice to understand that the fewspots (many with only spots on their skin that you never see -- so they really look "unspotted" are an Appaloosa breeder's dream! 

So many people want the leopards, but they only throw the gene 50% of the time, so you can breed 2 full leopards together and 25% of the time get NO spots.  Happened to me once, and I just couldn't believe it, and at the time I had probably 5 leopards here.  Dumped all but Spotty -- who seemed to throw his appy gene every time when bred appy, and traded them in for fewspots and snowcaps -- who are also homozygous.

I just LOVE the appaloosa genetics.  Then you have the PATN1 genes....so much fun!!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Chanda on May 19, 2016, 11:10:45 PM
Speaking of appies...  I think Monte is starting to get snowflakes or some sort of appy markings, he's getting a few white spots on his face (not scars or the like), will have to look closer at his body.   Tana, his dam, only has characteristics that I've seen, but her light color makes it harder to notice spots, she might have a couple snowflakes on her back, but I'd have to look closer.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 19, 2016, 11:16:29 PM
How old is Monte? Snowflakes are so cool! They are like a new horse every year. When I'm at my computer I'll post a few pictures of one of mine that was solid at birth, began to get spots at age 3, and by 5, well, you wouldn't believe it. I'll try to remember tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Chanda on May 19, 2016, 11:53:09 PM
How old is Monte? Snowflakes are so cool! They are like a new horse every year. When I'm at my computer I'll post a few pictures of one of mine that was solid at birth, and began to get spots at age 3, and by 5, well, you wouldn't believe it. I'll try to remember tomorrow morning!

Monte is 4, and I think his dam, Tana, is 11.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 20, 2016, 05:57:42 AM
Here's Clover, as promised.  A beautiful snowflake!

The first picture was when she was 3, and was just starting her snowflakes, and the next was 2 years later - age 5, and the third a year after that.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Holly on May 21, 2016, 05:10:36 PM
I think snowflake applies are beautiful...course I love all appy patterns! Some day I will get an appy mare...dreaming of LP/ LP   PTN 1/PTN1 !!! In chestnut
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: paintponylvr on May 22, 2016, 12:45:53 AM
OKKKKK - if I could get that?

I'd want it in base color of silver black or silver bay and that can drive in harness (draft style)!!

WOW, Clover is something else.
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Renée on May 23, 2016, 04:16:58 AM
I find colour genetics so intriguing, there is just so much to learn. I am more an appy fan than a tobiano fan yet my minimal white stallion would through load white colts. The only time he threw a solid filly was with a mare I sold pregnant. Typical of my luck. lol

Clover is just about my dream horse Diane :)
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Holly on May 23, 2016, 10:25:13 AM
All these years of breeding and Ive NEVER had a colored foal! Ive had one that came preloaded that threw a silver Smokey black, ( Katie) and I had roans from Kate (all but this year) But never have had a white patterned pony... I hope Grace will make me a pinto 1/2 welsh, and maybe if Katie is bred I can get a buckskin pinto!
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 23, 2016, 11:55:22 AM
We'll be watching very carefully to see if your wishes come true !!   ;pray
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: Renée on May 25, 2016, 07:04:04 AM
Is there a Colour Fairy out there somewhere?  ;)
Title: Re: Foal color calculator
Post by: dcwolcott on May 25, 2016, 09:32:08 AM
Let's hope!  And that she can be "captured" !!