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Title: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 18, 2017, 07:12:38 PM: Hi everyone hope you're all doing well xoxo long time since I've been here, so much going on lately, life got extra busy it seems, looking forward to reading all the threads I've missed!
Anyway do any of you remember the little chestnuts rescue filly about 16 months old deformed hooves and iguana eyes, super cute tiny little thing that was living with a mini jack prior to me picking her up. Was some question as to if she was pregnant by him?! Well we decided she probably wasn't, would be unlikely anyway and she looked to be in heat about 2 months ago when she approached our Haflinger stallion so I never thought twice about pregnancy. Well the last couple days she's looked so round to me unlike her usual. What do you all think? She'd be about 6-7 weeks from birth because we got her June 14 last year.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 18, 2017, 07:16:10 PM: Imagining she's a maiden, they can carry so up high and tight, it's very possible. She looks "lopsided" to me, so I'd be keeping an eye on her, and GOOD JOB noticing the changes!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on April 18, 2017, 07:36:26 PM: Welcome back :)

I cant add anything else than Diane has said , Keep a close eye on her. She looks great :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 18, 2017, 09:11:07 PM: How should I handle this until I know for sure? Will I be able to tell if she were close to falling "if of course she's even pregnant" being she is for sure a maiden. Reason I'm concerned is she lives with my herd I call them the Mini Thugs lol Rightfully earned they're all what I call spoiled brats. Sweet as pie in your lap minis but they love to love each other and give big attitudes as well so I wouldn't trust all if them if she were to out if nowhere gave a baby unnoticed. At the same time I wouldn't want to just throw her in a pen alone when I don't know what's going on, they're a very close little herd of 8
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 18, 2017, 11:20:07 PM: The best thing you can do if vet check isn't an option is to just watch her closely for changes. I find it's difficult to see small changes, so I like to take pictures of udders, vulvas and bellies as a baseline. Then compare all new pics.
She's looking very nice.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 18, 2017, 11:32:49 PM: I love my vet I really do but way back when I got the filly my vet was out checking on my pregnant Haflinger I asked her straight out if she thought Quinn could be pregnant and she said she would be really surprised at this age and it's not necessary to test her. I was surprised but went with it. So I'm not sure I want to bring it up to her again she's adamant. My vet was just out gelding my donkey, remember him, he turned a year on the 15th already
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 19, 2017, 06:12:45 AM: I'd watch for changes, and take pictures that you can post here for us. Do one down at her level standing behind her so we can look down her sides, and another one down at her level for a full side picture. We'll watch and see how she changes, and let you know our thoughts.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 19, 2017, 02:36:57 PM: Thank you Diane, I'm guessing changes might be easier to catch with good eyes like lots of you out there because she'd be within 40-50 days. Appreciate the help!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 19, 2017, 05:32:25 PM: We're here to help any way we can, so you're not alone in this. We're here for you!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: paintponylvr on April 20, 2017, 07:37:34 PM: She's really looking cute and I agree with everyone else!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 21, 2017, 12:17:27 PM: So far just to confirm, this is a completely non pregnant udder at this point?
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 21, 2017, 12:22:18 PM: Couldnt say pregnant or not by that udder, some mares are completely flat with 2 teats and some have a small flaps like your girl.
But those pics are a great baseline to compare to as the weeks go on.
:)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 21, 2017, 01:09:43 PM: Oh ok! Being a maiden if she were pregnant would she still get some udder, they don't always though right?!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 21, 2017, 03:44:14 PM: That is totally true. Some maidens and even some other breeding mares -- although those who have had foals before generally tend to do the same type of udder each time. But there are several who go without an udder right up to foaling.

This is a great baseline picture as Holly said!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 21, 2017, 03:49:57 PM: Exactly as Diane said. Also some mares make a tiny udder and some make a HUGE udder , so cant go by size much either.
Maidens are especially tricky. Best to update anytime you feel the need and we will do our best to help :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 21, 2017, 05:17:57 PM: Thank you I see!
I feel like this is such a long shot especially since I just calculated from the day we got her until today and she'd be 310.days! We all know she probably didn't get pregnant on the day we got her so she'd be even farther along. My only mini birth experience was a maiden we had who foaled at 306 days. Six weeks earlier our vet said she wasn't pregnant just fat hahaha! Still feel like it would be so much more noticeable by this time like "yes she's definitely pregnant!" But that's not the case
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 21, 2017, 08:03:11 PM: Always better safe then sorry! Good you keep an eye on her just in case!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 22, 2017, 11:16:39 AM: Chanda had posted a picture of her mare in the reference section I think, that no one really knew was pregnant -- ON THE DAY SHE DELIVERED!!!!

The maidens are always a guessing game!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Chanda on April 22, 2017, 06:56:34 PM: Working to unlock this, not sure how it got locked. We might have gremlins.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Chanda on April 22, 2017, 08:35:40 PM: All fixed.
And, now I know where to find the "unlock" if it happens again.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 22, 2017, 11:59:19 PM: Haha thank you so much Chandra!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 23, 2017, 10:07:48 AM: Yes, thank you for that Chanda. I was away Friday night and all day yesterday, and I'm so glad to have you part of the team to help in these situations. We don't "lock" threads here, as we DON'T have forum police here! C:-)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 23, 2017, 10:25:23 AM: Hi Diane Haha it's no problem no worries and yes I do remember the police were out in full force on the other board ;)
Im probably being neurotic but yesterday Quinn was kicking her belly in the morning and rolling. I actually thought is she colicky because she didn't look very pregnant to me at that point but did walk over to eat breakfast and was fine. So yesterday I decide just until I'm sure I'll lock her in a barn stall only at night when I can't watch her because I don't trust all my little thugs if she were to foal unexpectedly. I think I'll walk out and get some new pics, thanks again! Xo
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 23, 2017, 11:02:28 AM: Ok so here's new pics! The first & second were taken 3 minutes apart but her belly looks different could it be gas? Behavior wise she's pinning her ears to all her mini friends I just let her out of the barn. She's strangely a pocket mini even though she went mostly untouched her first 16 months of life and she was still following me around when I was in there but reared up and snapped at me on one occasion which I thought was weird. Also doesn't have much of an appetite not really eating as you can see in the pics. I know this can all be explained as something other then a foal but I'm staying on it since her living with the others would not be a safe situation for a baby she would have, Quinn & the jack are so tiny in comparison to all the others so this would be a teeny tiny foal
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 23, 2017, 11:13:45 AM: Ok so I check my surveillance camera to check on her and she's beating the crap out of our donkey yearling totally out of nature this girl is a doll. Anyway I kicked all the minis and donkeys out into another pasture and gave her some space of her own. Am I reading way too much into this?! If she's pregnant the wee foal 120 was wrong, I used one and it was the correct timeframe. Also my vet who didn't want to test her because she thought it would be super unlikely at her young age to even have a viable heat, so annoyed because I would have made sure she was eating alone and getting supplements as well ugh
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 23, 2017, 11:57:04 AM: Don't beat yourself up. We'll just keep watching her, and that would have to be a lot of gas for that lopsided belly picture. HA! And personality changes are important to note, for sure! I know you're watching her well, so congratulate yourself on being so attentive to her!

By the way, what is it that you have hanging on the gate with the rope? Questioning minds want to know?
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 23, 2017, 12:24:36 PM: Haha thank you so much, it's a salt mineral block
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 23, 2017, 02:16:31 PM: Maidens can be tricky!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 24, 2017, 11:57:56 AM: Good morning, Here's pics for today. Trying to do it often as she'd have to be over 313 "if" she's in foal. I know it doesn't mean that much because horses roll but she rolls a lot!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 24, 2017, 12:07:04 PM: Weirdly she looks wider from the front but this is 10 min after the last pics
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 24, 2017, 12:17:10 PM: One more lol sorry! 15-20 from the first pics she's a little wide again, makes me a little suspicious?!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 24, 2017, 05:31:07 PM: That one pictures certainly looks like there is elongation going on there as well. No puffiness, but l-o-n-g !!

Keep us posted! The pictures are great!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 24, 2017, 06:22:23 PM: I'm literally stunned and kind of freaking out, also upset that my vet was adamant about her not being pregnant and I shouldn't take a second thought :( she should have just tested her like I said to. If she's pregnant I hope it's healthy, I always feed really good but still I would have done so much more. Thank you Diane <3
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 24, 2017, 06:34:41 PM: If she turns out pregnant, I'm sure all will be just fine, as she's in good shape, and you are very watchful, so take a deep breath, and know you've done everything good by her!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 24, 2017, 11:25:18 PM: Is it my imagination or is she even longer now?!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on April 25, 2017, 09:05:04 PM: This is going to be great to follow , Whats making me think she is, is her nipples. Usually ( and I say that very lightly) the nipples of a maiden mare are higher up and pointing towards each other. There is also def elongation going on aswell in the pics you have posted.

As Diane said , Dont beat yourself up , you have done so much for this mare since you took her into your care. Vets are not always correct and at the end of the day , you know her better than anyone.

Ryan :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 26, 2017, 11:10:36 AM: Oh wow ok :) Thank you so much Ryan, appreciate your knowledge! I guess the good thing is the wait should be reasonably short because I will have had her a year on June 15 and I don't have any mini studs anymore so in no way could it have happened here. It would for sure be a little mini mule, don't think I've ever seen one lol
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 26, 2017, 01:09:13 PM: I had a mini mule once..... Actually it's one of my favorite Foaling stories to tell....I think I will start a thread on Foaling stories...
Mini mules are so cute and so sassy. If she turns out in foal and gives you a mini mule your going to love it!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 26, 2017, 02:35:06 PM: Awww hahaha can't wait to read the story! It could only be a Mini mule if she is because when we picked her up she was living with a tiny mini jack. It was really sad they called to each other as I pulled her away. The people wouldn't give up the jack and the sheriff couldn't force that as he looked to be in decent condition unlike her. They made no attempt to try to keep her, they said she was born with too many problems they couldn't handle. She was an easy fix with proper care. Sometimes I really hate the human race. Do you see any udder change I'm not good at this part lol

4/23/17 (http://www.castlerockminiatures.com/foalingforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263.0;attach=2902;image)
4/24/17 (http://www.castlerockminiatures.com/foalingforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263.0;attach=2902;image)

Here are some prior pictures -- thought I'd help out! ~~Diane
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on April 26, 2017, 03:49:48 PM: I am better at seeing difference when pics are side by side. Could you post a before next to it?
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 26, 2017, 04:48:36 PM: I grabbed a couple of pictures and posted in the thread, and I don't know about you, but I see changes!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on April 26, 2017, 06:32:16 PM: Me too :)

I agree Suebe, sometimes some members of the human race can be so disappointing. Hats off to you though for taking her in and giving her every chance :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 26, 2017, 10:24:45 PM: Diane thank you for grabbing those photos. I think I see what you're talking about! I just took another and also when I went to lift her tail she spun around not wanting me to go there. Took me a few minutes to get her to let me have a look. Usually she could care less so maybe another sign? It's a mystery
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 27, 2017, 10:52:31 AM: Hello,
So I didn't get any sleep last night because I was sure she was in active labor, it was literally textbook signs! Now she's just laying down more calm, What The Heck! Here's a new udder pic, pregnant or nuts : /
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on April 27, 2017, 05:38:52 PM: Take a deep breath, and continue to watch. You just never know with these maiden mares!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Silver City Heritage Farm on April 30, 2017, 05:14:44 PM: Quote from: Suebe on April 27, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
Hello,
So I didn't get any sleep last night because I was sure she was in active labor, it was literally textbook signs! Now she's just laying down more calm, What The Heck! Here's a new udder pic, pregnant or nuts : /

The elongation is what I am seeing too, nothing more to speak of. As she's a maiden, you do know that they MUST agree to drive the owner nuts >:D >:D before foaling...don't you?? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on April 30, 2017, 10:18:15 PM: yes and I'm starting to think I'm crazy and she's not pregnant. I go back and forth several times a day and feel maybe I'm reading too much into every "symptom" :( so annoying! I've separated her from my mini herd just in case but maybe I'm taking this too far?! Thank you for responding I really appreciate everyone's opinion so much
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on May 01, 2017, 07:13:02 PM: Its better to be safe than sorry and your doing great. :)

Ive met expecting owners that have been so blase , i wanted to slap some sense into them :) lol
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 01, 2017, 08:29:41 PM: Hey, you're doing just fine! As many mares as I've foaled out, I had one that I decided wasn't pregnant every other day! And she was an older mare, and her belly changed constantly. One day, I just decided she wasn't pregnant, and I put her back in pasture with the other mares and their foals, and unfortunately checked later (since I didn't have another mare due, so took my time) and found my "heart" filly -- dead. And she was everything I'd waited for in all my years of breeding this one particular stallion!

So, they can be very confusing. I could have kicked myself! But, you're doing all the right things, even if it turns out she's not pregnant, although it really seems she could be! So, keep up with what you're doing, and it will be the best for both of you!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 02, 2017, 09:48:40 PM: :( awe I'm so sorry to hear that Diane xx
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 02, 2017, 09:52:03 PM: Quote from: Ryan on May 01, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
Its better to be safe than sorry and your doing great. :)

Ive met expecting owners that have been so blase , i wanted to slap some sense into them :) lol

lol literally me talking about the human race, at least most of them haha
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 06, 2017, 04:46:38 PM: As you know my vet did not see a baby on an external maybe 30 second US. I'm not crazy but still just going to keep an eye on her through this month just to be sure and have no regrets. Here's a new udder pic nothing huh?
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 07, 2017, 09:10:46 AM: I think it's always prudent err on the safe side, than be sorry later.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 08, 2017, 12:24:56 PM: Check this new pic out, anything new you see? The bottom pic is from a week ago, top pic from today!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 08, 2017, 01:06:45 PM: Here's 2 hours after the first pic in case this is a better look
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Rocklone on May 08, 2017, 02:24:50 PM: It's hard to say but there could be some slight swelling :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on May 08, 2017, 07:15:06 PM: I agree it does look like swelling.

I know your vet said not pregnant but I think your doing the right thing in keeping a close eye on her. It wouldn't be the first time a vet has been wrong.

You know her better than anyone :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 08, 2017, 10:59:26 PM: Rocklone, Ryan my gut feeling says my vet was wrong I'm stunned I really think she was and look at her vulva tonight, it kinda screams maybe baby? Yes?!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 09, 2017, 06:02:09 AM: Sure looks like she's elongating. I think you're doing a great job watching and documenting her!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on May 10, 2017, 06:02:43 PM: I'll second that 😊
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 20, 2017, 08:41:21 PM: Hi, so not much has changed except I found out "if" she's pregnant she would most likely carry 2-4 weeks longer then an average mare because it would be a mule baby. I never knew that but makes sense since donkeys carry 12-14 months. I'm adding a link to a video I took about 30 minutes ago. I was quietly watching her eat when she walked away from her hay which was weird enough, she hid in the opposite corner across the pen. I snuck in our barn stall and without her knowing took the video. She stayed there around 30 minutes. Sorry it's 2 minutes long feel free to scan through. Am I over reading this as odd, I'm famous for doing stuff like that. What do you think was going on honest opinions I can take it Lol

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1b9n9ny71papztc/Video%20May%2020%2C%205%2001%2059%20PM.mov?dl=0
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Chanda on May 20, 2017, 09:45:36 PM: I didn't watch all of the video, but what I did watch, she seems agitated, why I have no idea; maybe long mule baby ears are tickling her.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 21, 2017, 08:11:50 AM: I watched the whole video, and my impression was that you may not think she knew you were taking a video, but I think she was purposely keeping her back to you -- almost to seemingly ignore the fact you were checking on her.

I don't know much about baby mules -- except I love those long ears -- but hopefully someone here will know something about whether carrying a mule baby extends the pregnancy time.

You're doing great keeping us updated.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 21, 2017, 08:59:46 AM: No she really didn't know I was there. When I check on her anytime if she sees me she lets me know no matter what she doing, she so extremely social and has a very big personality. Btw I actually called the donkey and mule society she told me about the gestation and said the info is also on their website as well
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 21, 2017, 09:04:45 AM: So is your honest opinion Diane that she was agitated because I was standing there? If so I respect your opinion but this is a mini who if left out of her pen will follow me straight into my house
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 21, 2017, 09:16:34 AM: She has a larger then life personality very social
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 21, 2017, 09:05:29 PM: No, I think it was Chanda who thought she was agitated. I just thought she was ignoring you. But, that's so nice that she loves you so much, so maybe you did sneak up on her just perfectly!

Love those pictures!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 22, 2017, 02:19:08 PM: Is this just normal digestion for this horse? She was almost flat sided 15 minutes before. Could you please check out just a small section of this video. I feel like I should just put her back with her herd and move on....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2xk3jm2sbf3lajb/Video%20May%2022%2C%2010%2038%2057%20AM.mov?dl=0
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 22, 2017, 06:46:58 PM: You know she looks quite round in this video, but the roundness seems to extend higher on the left side and slightly rounder on the left side. Since you've been so careful, I'd still wait a little bit and see. Can you take a full side view right down at her level so we can see how that "roundness" is being carried?

Remember, when babies move around, the mommas can look quite "slab sided" one minute, and quite wide the next. I think I'd still wait a bit, and let us see a side view, and maybe we'll have a better "guess" :D
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Rocklone on May 22, 2017, 07:04:43 PM: She doesn't look conditioned enough to warrant that belly. I'm still going with pregnant.
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on May 22, 2017, 09:29:29 PM: She does look very rounded in the video.

I think your doing the right thing keeping a close eye on her. :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 26, 2017, 11:21:56 PM: There's actually now no doubt at all that we are having a baby, she's been laying down a moaning a lot. Her bag has started to really blossom and today her vulva is gaping open. I'll post pics can't be long. Thank you to everyone who chimed in with advice, opinions or help! Really appreciate it!!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on May 27, 2017, 10:19:31 AM: Cant wait to see new pics. She sure has been a mystery! :D
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on May 28, 2017, 11:59:50 AM: Sorry, I was away babysitting, so didn't see this exciting message about the progress!

What's the update? Praying she'll come through this just fine ;pray ;pray
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on May 29, 2017, 11:21:21 AM: I woke up to loose manure and for the first time, I've been looking, a red vulva, is not eating much starting last night and messing with her bedding constantly. How much longer with these signs? Not a great udder though but I had a maiden a few years ago that foaled with barely any udder at all. It's 8am here what's the chance of having a daytime baby should I watch as closely, fairly uncommon isn't it?
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on May 29, 2017, 07:07:59 PM: Cant wait to see pics :)

Please keep us posted when you can

best wishes :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on May 29, 2017, 10:50:46 PM: Keep checking in to see if theres baby news ? :)

Hope all is going ok ;pray
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: paintponylvr on May 29, 2017, 11:28:55 PM: How is she doing?

Times for foaling vary a lot and it can even differ from year to year in the same mare.

I have had one who has had several between 0600-0900 in the morning, yet almost always after I've fed/checked on the mares.

I have one mare that has consistently foaled between 0100-0300 (very early morning) - again usually in between checks. She also foaled her foals in that same time frame with her previous owner - she had some very detailed notes when I purchased the mare. Then this year, she foaled after daylight!

Recently - almost all have seemed to foal as the sun is coming up. We had 5 foals this year (1 is deceased)...
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Rocklone on June 01, 2017, 01:11:34 PM: Keeping everything crossed for a healthy delivery!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on June 01, 2017, 03:58:01 PM: Anxiously waiting for updates and new pictures!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on June 07, 2017, 05:46:14 PM: Okay, I can hardly wait anymore for an update!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on June 07, 2017, 06:58:47 PM: Likewise :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on July 19, 2017, 11:53:22 PM: Hey Sueb :) Hows your mare doing ?
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on July 20, 2017, 05:53:40 AM: Yes, please! ;pray
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on July 20, 2017, 01:04:31 PM: Hi everyone long time since I've updated... my mare is over 399 days in foal to a mule!!!! I know what you're thinking, is she really pregnant??? I actually waited to post until my vet came yesterday, saw theres a baby in there with external US it's alive and very active, not in perfect position yet should I be worrying :( vet confirmed a mule will carry longer then a horse foal, 13 months isn't unusual but I know we're past that mark. She lays down and rolls a lot and is constantly kicking her belly, she's more slab sided today then I've seen her before but she goes from round as a barrel to slab to round as a barrel all day long. She doesn't have a fever or show any signs that something is wrong, eats drinks poops and even manages to trot around her pasture ugh help! Vet will not induce she said baby is active and will come when it ready WHAT!!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on July 20, 2017, 01:08:10 PM: Also her udder is nothing to brag about but I've been assured by many thats nothing to worry about since she's a maiden she can foal without much, I actually had a maiden that foaled with no udder about 3 years ago so that's the least of my worries I suppose
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on July 20, 2017, 01:25:09 PM: She also has her rear to a wall or fence pushing and rubbing all day long, my gosh how long can this go on? Any thoughts please enlighten me!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Ryan on July 20, 2017, 06:40:22 PM: Well you were right all along , as i said know one knows a mare better than its owner :)

Shes showing all the signs that she is getting close. The fact that she is eating and drinking and passing manure is great. If she was completely off her food and not passing manure, I would start to worry.

Have you got any pics for us ?

So glad you posted :)
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Holly on July 20, 2017, 07:00:42 PM: Congrats! I just adore baby mules!!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: dcwolcott on July 21, 2017, 05:58:53 AM: The butt pushing is just fine, and you're right not to worry about an udder. She'll fill at foaling I'm sure. With what you're explaining, I think she's on the downward road, and baby should come sooner rather than much later. You've kept good track of her, and we're excited to hear how she continues to progress.

The butt pushing is to move baby into a more comfortable position, so that's good. Some rolling will get that little one in final position, so we're following along with you, and praying for the very best outcome!. ;pray

Pictures would be great!
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on July 21, 2017, 07:55:25 PM: Here's a video :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/dcoamkl4jpg5q4s/Video%20Jul%2021%2C%204%2045%2018%20PM.mov?dl=0
Title: Re: Rescue filly
Post by: Suebe on July 21, 2017, 08:04:36 PM: How does her actual rear look? Maybe a bit dropped around the trailhead?!
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 21, 2017, 09:41:23 PM: You've done your magic! She looks to be in fabulous shape, and you're quite right.....big and round!

Keep us posted, she is doing great!
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Post by: Suebe on July 21, 2017, 09:43:06 PM: Here's a side by side, first pic is from April 23 second is from today. Isn't it crazy how dark she got?! You can tell it's the same mare by that white spot on her booty :) I heard her parents were both paints and she came out mostly solid. Anyway what do you think about her rear after seeing a side by side?!
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 21, 2017, 09:45:14 PM: Definitely some dropping in the tail head. She's looking so good! It's amazing how she has come along for you. KUDOS for the great job you've done with her. I look forward to see as she progresses now, as she must be nearing completion, and we'll see that precious little one!
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Post by: Suebe on July 21, 2017, 09:45:42 PM: I think that photo was too big let me try again, thank you Diane but I'm really concerned about why this baby is baking so long?
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 22, 2017, 11:17:18 AM: Hard to know. How long since you got her? I forgot to look at the thread before I clicked in here to respond.

But, the one thing we know, is that at some point...when all is ready....she WILL deliver that little long-ears!!
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Post by: Suebe on July 22, 2017, 01:30:02 PM: Diane I've had her 402 days!!! And no it's not possible that she got pregnant at my house instead, I gelded all my mini studs a couple years ago, my only stallion is my Haflinger and he lives on the other side of our property. I have no connecting fences with neighbors,
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 22, 2017, 02:47:14 PM: WOW! I can see why you're concerned. But if the vet is saying all is well, I guess we'll just have to chew our fingernails while we wait. I know she couldn't be in better hands, as you are super -- getting her into this marvelous condition.

Keep us posted on any vet news. I'll be honest, I'd be concerned if she were mine too. But, then I don't know much about baby mules. Hopefully, someone here has some personal experience they can share and make us both feel better! Let us know about any changes in her condition that you see, and meanwhile.... ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 22, 2017, 03:50:25 PM: Just talked with Debby at Hickory Springs who used to have donkeys, and raised them for 14 years. She said this is not uncommon, and 14 months or into the 14th month is not unusual. So, now I feel better, she's says all is fine. No worries, she says. :D
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Post by: Suebe on July 22, 2017, 03:57:44 PM: Oh my gosh Diane thank you for talking to her! My mind has been racing like maybe the baby can not take position for some strange reason or there's something wrong with it :( does debbie realize it's a mule baby and not a donkey?! Appreciate you speaking to her so much!
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 22, 2017, 06:32:50 PM: Yes, she knows it's a mule baby. No worries. She's still waiting on 2 foals to come to ground, so still a busy lady. Can't wait for her foaling season so she can get back here and upload some photos of those beautiful babies she's had. She and her husband are now also caring for his father, who is diabetic and has alzheimers/dementia too, so she doesn't have much time. But she promises to return. But I can call and ask her any questions you have so feel free.
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Post by: Holly on July 22, 2017, 06:33:22 PM: I had a baby mule once, I didnt breed her, so I dont know exactly how long she baked. But after talking to many mule breeders its common place for mules to cook 12-14 months.
Best wishes and keep the pics coming!
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Post by: Ryan on July 22, 2017, 08:24:59 PM: She is looking really good , she sure has gotten dark .

Keep us posted with heaps of pics :)

I remember another thread and it was well over 12 months before baby appeared ;pray
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Post by: Suebe on July 22, 2017, 09:53:15 PM: Diane thank you for confirming Debbie knows it's a mule, I'm so grateful I feel very much relived! Holly and Ryan thank you as well, appreciate everyone's knowledge!
I let her out in the big pasture today for he first time in a couple months, felt she really needed to visit her friends and not through a fence. I'm attaching a link, I thought it was weird how everyone was sticking their noses up in her udder like they knew something? Do you think they do know? I caught one of them on video

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1gc6c7douq3lth/Video%20Jul%2022%2C%2011%2013%2039%20AM.mov?dl=0
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 22, 2017, 10:35:17 PM: Debbie and I talked later today, and she told me to tell you that her jenny's were ALWAYS extremely sneaky about foaling. So, to keep an eye on her. She said many times hers would just be chewing their hay, drop and foal, and get back up to the hay. Tough on watching for signs of imminent birth -- not like a horse -- but said her one Jenny that carried into the 14 month used to foal and the baby would be up in 5 minutes or so, and running the stall within another 10 minutes. Almost like coming out as a 2 week old. LOL
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Post by: Suebe on July 22, 2017, 10:51:06 PM: OMG HAHAHAHAHAHA THATS THE FUNNIEST THING EVER! I laughed so hard imagining it LOL! Please tell her thank you as well what a great story!!! <3
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 23, 2017, 11:20:36 AM: Will do!!
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Post by: Suebe on July 23, 2017, 11:32:55 AM: I thought FINALLY last night -_____- when I went to close up the barn around 9pm she had cowpie manure, but nope just laid flat as a pancake all night long perfectly content. Does icky manure even mean anything lol
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Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2017, 07:02:54 PM: Lol looks like she is going to have you on your toes for this one :)

P.S ( you have done a wonderful job with her , she looks amazing )
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Post by: dcwolcott on July 23, 2017, 10:05:23 PM: DITTO THAT!!!
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Post by: Ryan on July 31, 2017, 07:44:30 PM: How is she going Suebe ? :)
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 01, 2017, 05:58:57 AM: Yes, any changes?
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Post by: Suebe on August 01, 2017, 04:40:52 PM: Hello, she's slabsided again today let's see if it lasts this time. The last two days she's had bursts of running around her barn stall flailing her tail rolling then it passes after about 5 minutes. Today when I went out in the morning I noticed right away it was damp around her entire tail head, seemed like sweat but why there anyone know? She's pretty consistently miserable now with very small breaks in between
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Post by: Ryan on August 01, 2017, 06:54:38 PM: Up and down like a yoyo :)

Thanks for the update !!
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 01, 2017, 09:49:33 PM: Keep us posted. All praying for a safe delivery of a little long-ears!! ;pray ;pray
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Post by: Holly on August 02, 2017, 12:22:02 PM: Thanks for update! Seems like were in the same boat!
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Post by: Silver City Heritage Farm on August 06, 2017, 02:33:11 PM: So...how's she doing?? If it makes things any easier for you (or maybe not!), an Arabian mare on another forum carried her PUREBRED foal 419 days this year!! They are positive of the dates, as it was an AI with only one insemination. Can you imagine??

So, you should be making an announcement of a pretty little longears any day now, and we can't wait!
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 06, 2017, 04:08:08 PM: Very true!!
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Post by: Suebe on August 06, 2017, 04:56:44 PM: Quote from: Silver City Heritage Farm on August 06, 2017, 02:33:11 PM
So...how's she doing?? If it makes things any easier for you (or maybe not!), an Arabian mare on another forum carried her PUREBRED foal 419 days this year!! They are positive of the dates, as it was an AI with only one insemination. Can you imagine??

So, you should be making an announcement of a pretty little longears any day now, and we can't wait!

Wow! That's incredible lol! Is that a record for a horse?!
I'm actually really worried. My mare spends so much time rubbing her body on everything she has hairless raw areas. Her baby is still going wide, no changes really in her vulva. It was longer for a bit and seems to have went back up is that normal. She has a small udder with very large mammary in front of the udder. Is something wrong with this baby seriously? My vet I know it thinks I have my dates wrong but I know 100% I don't! My donkey jack Bucky remember him, he was born on the other Mini forum. He was two months old when I got my little mare, he could not been responsible at that age and he was my only stallion other then my Haflinger. We gelded him at 10 months because he was starting to mount his mom already : / what's your honest opinions I can handle I promise
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 06, 2017, 06:17:36 PM: I think she's probably doing just fine. Sounds like she has some good edema in front of her udder, and that will begin to move back and fill her udder. So, it sounds like she's getting closer every day. If there was something wrong, she would be showing you signs of distress, I'm sure. So, since she's doing good, and just rubbing that baby into place, I'm going to say, we'll see the baby when she's ready. And we KNOW she must have that little one eventually!!

No worries, I'll give Deb a call (she's still waiting on 2 foals who also are not being very cooperative) and let her know the progress. But really, I'm sure this little momma would be showing some severe signs if something was wrong. Take a deep breath, we're all here for you and this little long ears! :D
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 08, 2017, 05:31:54 PM: Deb said she "talked" with you, and hopefully you are feeling a bit more relaxed about your pretty little girl. Just keep us posted, as it sounds like she's moving forward. Another picture would be great too!
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Post by: Ryan on August 08, 2017, 05:43:26 PM: I agree with Diane. I think your both doing just fine. Remembering that this is her first and she is probably wondering what on earth is going on. I remember your thread when your jack was born and I also remember another thread where we wondered if her jenny was ever going to go into labor.

If it gives you peace of mind , Please post pics everyday, as your constantly looking at her , we may see small changes :)

Your doing great ;pray
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Post by: Suebe on August 13, 2017, 06:34:53 PM: This is ridiculous she still looks like this... she was in the middle of kicking her baby when I took the pic, see her back leg lol can't say I blame her -_____-
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Post by: Ryan on August 13, 2017, 07:48:35 PM: Me either , she must be getting uncomfortable but she sure is taking her time putting those final touches on :)
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 14, 2017, 06:00:19 AM: Poor little girl! Praying for the safest of deliveries of that little long ears!!
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Post by: Ryan on August 21, 2017, 08:21:14 PM: How is she coming along ?

Hanging for some new pics when you have the time :)
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 22, 2017, 05:54:01 AM: Ditto that!
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Post by: Suebe on August 23, 2017, 11:43:49 AM: So are we going to hold a record HAHAHA VET WAS HERE STILL PREGNANT FOR REAL LOL. We have a change though...maybe a sign????? My sweet little pocket mini kicked me last night when I went to lift her tail. I actually tried again multiple times but she consistently backed up to me kicking. Same reaction today. I can stand with her give her scratches whatever but DONT TOUCH THAT TAIL or rear wth?! I can't stress how this is not her! Never has she attempted any negative behavior toward me. Could it mean something hmmmm
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Post by: Silver City Heritage Farm on August 23, 2017, 04:28:25 PM: ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray ;pray

Only crazy mare watchers pray.....

"Please, please, PLEASE, let being mean to me signify that she's FINALLY GOING TO DROP THIS FOAL!!"

I hope this is what happens, and that you have a safe and uneventful delivery within the next 48 hours. O:-)

Did the vet make mention of anything more than she's still pregnant?
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Post by: Suebe on August 23, 2017, 05:59:37 PM: Thank you I hope so too ugh and no she didn't say much as you don't see a great deal this far along but she did US again for my benefit only, she caught movement and babies position wasn't spot on but that can change in minutes I guess
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Post by: Ryan on August 23, 2017, 07:08:35 PM: Sounding promising , sorry she kicked you ...... Hopeing she is gearing up for the long awaited arrival. ;pray

Some mares become grumpy to say the least before foaling especially when you have been carring for that long , wishing you the safest of foalings :) :)
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 23, 2017, 08:34:45 PM: Can't be much longer now. Praying for a safe delivery of that special little long ears! ;pray ;pray
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Post by: Ryan on August 30, 2017, 06:19:03 PM: She still hanging on ? :)
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Post by: dcwolcott on August 30, 2017, 07:15:29 PM: Good heavens....is it possible? :-\
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Post by: Ryan on September 11, 2017, 10:39:09 PM: Hows she doing ? :)
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Post by: dcwolcott on September 13, 2017, 09:46:07 AM: Oh yes, and update please!! ;pray ;pray